I think I could agree with you if I felt that Tess in anyway had hardships interacting with people due to her isolation but she wasn't. She was often very direct about what she wanted, how she felt and what she felt that they were meant to do. She had no problem getting her way and she was no way a shrinking violet. So I don't see the isolation argument in that aspect. Unless you are saying that Nascedo raised her to make her see herself as standing apart from society. In that context it makes a lot of sense as to why she hated the humans and why she often manipulated people into getting what she wanted. But if this is implying that she didn't know her actions were wrong or that she didn't know then I disagree again, because she clearly knew that her actions were wrong because she hid them from everyone and was deceitful.valentinebaby wrote:you can't except someone to be a fully functional member of society if they're kept apart from it. I don't think a year is enough time to fix that kind of damage.
Nascedo raising her seemed to have no impact on her ability to socialize with the group from what I could tell. She flirted with Kyle endlessly, was able to manipulate herself within the group pretty well too, hardly was she a social recluse. The only thing it seemed to show was that she was less human in terms of having empathy for others. She couldn't relate to the group because she couldn't love. That's pretty much the biggest thing I think Nascedo could have done to her. But I think that could have changed had Tess wanted to change.
But again I don't think that this is all on just Nascedo. We aren't just the people are parents teach us to be. We are the person we want to be at the end of the day. The circumstances don't define the person, the individual does. Otherwise Michael wouldn't be who he is. Tess had lots of freedom to change and she chose not to at the end of the day. Saying she was the victim of the system seems like a tidy way of reducing her accountability in it all. Saying that it wasn't her fault and blaming it all on Nascedo seems to be a cop-out. Where is her responsibility in her actions? I understand the thought behind it - Nascedo raised her to be alien and his impact was lasting so how could she really choose differently with that mind set? - But I don't think that works. Tess choices were her own and she could have chosen not to go through the deal with Kivar. Nascedo had been dead for an entire year at that point so she had no reason to go through with it.
As to "fixing the damage" portion of the discussion, I never felt that Tess was damaged because I don't believe she was abused or really showed signs of being a person who was abused. The only way that she was damaged was that she was more alien then the rest of them but I never thought of that as something that was irreversible had she tried to really be apart of the group instead of just stalking Max all the time. I never got that she was broken from the show. She was just more "alien" then the rest of them.
I think the only lasting negative impact Nascedo could have had on her would be making her more alien and less human. She hated the humans and that was most likely from Nascedo's influence and she probably was less able to relate to people emotionally but I think that's the extent of it. However this was also reinforced by Tess' own desire to believe these things. Tess' didn't want to have loving relationships, she simply wanted to be fawned over this was evidenced in TLAV where she mind warps her way into the group and forces herself on them and then in later episodes when all she desires if for Max to be with her, not because he loves her but simply because she wants him. His wants, needs or desires don't matter to her.Rowedog wrote:You don't think that being cold, detached and emotionally unavailable towards a child that you're technically raising isn't abuse?
We aren't only are parents vision though. We are more then that. We are also the person that we want to be as well. Even if Nacedo was distant with Tess emotionally speaking this doesn't mean that Tess would always be emotionally distant in all of her relationships. She wasn't ruined for the rest of her life. She was in a worse situation then the average person perhaps but she could have changed that if she wanted to. But she didn't. That was a choice she chose to follow and she even kept her supposed "family" at a distance from her because that was the way she wanted things to be.Our relationship with our parental figures shape the rest of our interactions with people, it creates a schema which we draw upon when making new friends and meeting new people. So if Nacedo was cold, distant and emotionally unavailable to her, that's what she would have learned. That was all she'd ever known for a decade and it would take a lot more than a short year or so with Jim and Kyle to change that.
I feel compelled to go back to the Michael and Hank comparison. Michael didn't want to be like Hank and even though Hank was his provider the person he probably spent the most time with as a child and as an impressionable adolescent yet he was still able to make something of himself even due to a horrible situation. Same with Ava she could have chosen to be just like the other Dupes (Lonnie and Rath) yet she didn't want that for herself and she changed and was a better person than them. I feel that the same goes for Tess.
If Tess was really disheartened by the way people treated her (even though they really weren't horrible to her), if she really cared about a lack of friendship within the group, if she wanted these relationships then she would have reached out for them and she never did. The only time she did was most of the time to manipulate the person she was interacting with. To imply that Tess couldn't have been more, couldn't have been better, couldn't choose the right choice, due to her emotionally stinted relationship with Nacedo seems more or less as a way to lessen her accountability in it all. It implies that she had no choice or free will on her own. Tess had many choices and she frequently chose the ones that were morally blame worthy and that can't be tossed back all on Nacedo. She has to stand by her choices. Tess is more then just Nacedo. Did Nacedo impact Tess? Of course. But he wasn't the only factor (I would argue that he wasn't even the main factor) Tess was the main factor in all of this because it's her life.
I still believe her betrayal is unfounded due to the condition that Isabel, Max, Alex and Michael didn't deserve what Tess did to them in any context of the situation. I would say at best I don't understand Tess what so ever because she had every chance to make her life better but she opted out of potential happiness each time because she only wanted to be Queen and go on a planet no one cared about. All of Tess' problems in the later seasons were entirely self-inflicted. She could have had a family, she could have been happy, she could have had a support system, and she could have had friends but she didn't want any of those things. Perhaps because she wasn't human and she couldn't love. She didn't care about anything other then Antar and betraying her family so she could be worshiped as a Queen. Maybe I do understand her, I just don't like her because her value system is so screwed up.I do believe her upbringing played a major part in the way she interacted with people and what she did...but it does help me to understand her better.
Tess wouldn't be Tess anymore then. It seems we are digressing from what Tess was into what Tess could have been (or more aptly put for her fans, what she should have been). But I think given who Tess was she was everything she wanted to be in her own right which is why I say love or hate her for what she is.Who knows what Tess could have been if she'd been raised differently?