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When I posted in this thread the first time around, I stated that I thought that Max and Tess looked good. Now, I'm a dreamer. I won't read a story where Max and Liz aren't together, but I thought that in the show the contrast between Jason and Emilie was great. For me, Tess is just 'that' character. Some people believe that she was always this evil person, but I view that to be the popular thought because she was the girl sent to get in between Max and Liz. Other people don't see her as that constant witch. I think that because of Tess' duality, she's the character that can either be loved or hated in fan fiction...within a believable idea. That's not to say that authors aren't talented enough to make the remaining characters believable in their spin of things. For me, it's just easier to believe and understand if it's Tess, than say...Maria (even though I've done it before, myself) a bad guy. It makes me stop and say 'woah' when I see someone else written as a bad guy.I find Tess and what ever redemption either I make or other writers make refreshing. She can’t have what she wants, but she learns to accept something better. I can’t generate any true animosity towards her. I am toying with an idea:
“What if Max and Liz came together, had a child and Liz died. Could anyone write Tess so that she could come in and without destroying the feeling about Liz help Max raise his child and support him as a second wife?” My blessings if you beat me to it. I am scheduled for some time ahead.
and because she was introduced as a manipulative woman who mindwarped everyone and hated the humans, because she killed Alex after she manipulated and used him for months, because she mindwarped Kyle making him believe that Alex's corpse was a luggage, because she took advantage of Max sadness many times for her own agenda and basically didn't give a damn about his feelings even if she knew and saw them, because she made him believe that his son was dying, because she basically forced them to almost leave the planet for duty ( for the baby) , because she actually wanted to deliver Max&Co to Kivar, because the baby itself was part of the deal, because when she came back she killed many people without feeling any remorse for it and she killed even more people in the end when she "redeemed" herself.I view that to be the popular thought because she was the girl sent to get in between Max and Liz
now i obviously will never read a ff where M&L are not together.“What if Max and Liz came together, had a child and Liz died. Could anyone write Tess so that she could come in and without destroying the feeling about Liz help Max raise his child and support him as a second wife?” My blessings if you beat me to it. I am scheduled for some time ahead.
and this alone is the answer. he was a normal guy who tried to date a girl he liked. no big drama.Up the Departure Tess was written as a good person. Her scenes with Kyle showed that she had heart and warmth and could be human. Her scenes with Max, particularly after TEOTW showed that she could be compassionate and caring. She was also show to be brave and smart.she's a character people dislike for many way more valid reasons.
she was written like that. she was like that. she wasn't an angel or the classic "other woman"
You don't read much AU do you? Because 90% of the fics in AU involve complete personality transplants. There are hundreds of AU fics where Max is an arrogant playboy who sleeps around and treats women like dirt. That bears no resemblence to canon Max at all. And can you really imagine canon Liz as a stripper as in my AU story?even for AU i don't find it believable. Basically you have to transform Tess into another completely different character
your opinion. I have mine. If you let me. thanks.nibbles2 wrote: Up the Departure Tess was written as a good person. Her scenes with Kyle showed that she had heart and warmth and could be human. Her scenes with Max, particularly after TEOTW showed that she could be compassionate and caring. She was also show to be brave and smart.
the two situations can't be compared. they're totally different. FMax asked Liz to do what she did and Liz had to lie because she was forced to do it, because she wanted to protect him and his family. I'm the first one who always say that Liz manipulated Max in the second season but to compare it with everything Tess did is totally crazy. their reasons were completely different and Liz never wanted to kill MaxHer behavior when she first showed up wasn't steller. She manipulated the others. But she really thought that she was doing it for the right reason. She thought she had a destiny and a duty to fulfill. Tess manipulating Max in season one is no different to Liz manipulating him by pretending to sleep with Kyle. They hurt Max and tried to control his feelings because they thought they were doing the right thing.
Ultimately by working for Kivar she betrayed even all those supposed antarians they needed to save.your opinion. you use the word "absolutely" when in the real show people could have a different opinion since the writers created the basis.I happen to believe that the writers thought the show was going to be cancelled and wanted to give the fans some sort of closure. Making Tess evil sated the majority of the fans who hated her for coming between Liz and Max and was the quickest way of getting her off the planet and putting Max and Liz back together. There was absolutely no foreshadowing of her evilness before departure and no valid reason to hate her except that she had slept with Max.
And get rid of the interloper, Tess.
writer and co-executive producer Ronald D. Moore : Yes. Jason [Katims] had always thought in the back of his mind that Tess was working against them in some way, he just didn't know how. She bonds with them. She bonds with the Valentis. She's accepted. She becomes part of the family. But there's this one thing she's still holding back somewhere in the recesses of her brain. And ultimately that was true.
another one:In the December 2001 issue of Starlog, series writer and co-executive producer Ronald D. Moore:
HUMAN MODIFICATION
Clearly, the "Roswell" recipe for success has been modified to include more laughs this year. "Year, it'll have a better sense of humor," Moore promised. "We're going to play things a little lighter in some instances. But the relationships are still going to carry forward, because they are the heart and soul of the show. The Liz-Max relationship is front and center, right from the first episode. The Michael-Maria relationship is ongoing, and Isabel has a whole new relationship to deal with."
Fans of Colin Hanks will be treated to the actor's ghostly return, as the tries to counsel Isabel through the romantic troubles in the third episode. "The apparition of Alex appears, and Isabel talks to him as the tries to figure out what to do with her new relationship," Moore explains. "At first, Alex says, 'You can't go any further with this guy. You have to let it go, because everyone you get involved with dies!' But she's in love with Jesse."
The exit of Alex and Tess at the end of last year will continue to impact the series, at least for a while. "Alex still haunts Isabel. She talks to him in her mind and in her dreams. He may make additional appearances later," Moore offers. "As for Tess, she has Max's baby, and that's DEFINITELY on Max's mind. We've talked about ways of seeing Tess before this season is over."
Although Emilie de Ravin seemed to think she would be around for the third season as Tess (Starlog #287), Moore claims that her departure was "something that came up over the course of the second season. We started talking early on about the idea that she was actually working against the others. As the season went on, we started to think more seriously about how that would work and what the circumstances would be. It was not until we started focusing on Alex's death as a catalyst for all those plotlines that we realized Max's emotional upheaval would cause him to sleep with Tess."
Viewer resentment of the Tess-Max relationship was strong, but Moore insists it was NOT a factor in the decision to part ways with Tess. "We know that people were up in arms about that relationship, and we were fine with that," he maintains. "As long as people care enough to keep watching, that's great! It wasn't like we were writing Liz out of the show. We always knew we were going to bring [the core relationship] back to Liz and Max. But we decided to give them a season apart, and give them some problems, so that when they did hook up again, it wouldn't be simple or easy. Their relationship will continue to be complicated."
this is what happens into every show.In season one and the beginning of season two she was becoming more in tune with her human side after Nasedo was killed, then she came out of nowhere as the deceitful alien. Why?
Well, the idea was more like, we wanted her to. And she wasn't so much in tune with her human side, she was just getting better at it -- she just sort of got better at blending in. She was always after Max, that was sort of a constant. Her thing was to get Max and to have a baby by Max, and that was always the motivation, so she just got better at being appealing really, rather than suddenly having a change of heart. At least that's how we saw it as the writers. And I should correct something I said earlier: Now that I remember, we did decide that Tess had killed Alex before we did that episode [cry your name]. That's one of the things that made that episode work... that Tess had done it ultimately.
same example. It's the kind of AU i don't like or i can read just for fun.You don't read much AU do you? Because 90% of the fics in AU involve complete personality transplants. There are hundreds of AU fics where Max is an arrogant playboy who sleeps around and treats women like dirt. That bears no resemblence to canon Max at all. And can you really imagine canon Liz as a stripper as in my AU story?
My statement: “What if Max and Liz came together, had a child and Liz died. Could anyone write Tess so that she could come in and without destroying the feeling about Liz help Max raise his child and support him as a second wife?”
I strongly disagree here. I have suffered the greatest grief a man could face and survived. No I am not the same person. No, I am not a better person, I face tears every day, but I survived.Coccy states” also, in the scenario you wrote Max wouldn't survive if figures if he could marry another woman. Just the thought of Liz in danger made him crazy and at one point he even killed himself for her.
Liz could survive and move on (even if a part of her would be dead forever and she wouldn't be the same person anymore) but Max no. He was the more fragile one in their relationship IMO
because Liz isn't just his girlfriend and the woman he loves. she's *everything*. his best friend. his balance. the face always into his mind. the face that made him survive when they were torturing him and when he died.
no offense against youken_r wrote:I would like to defend myself and some ideas. I am strictly dreamer. I don’t think this could be written canon because canon does not give us enough room time wise to do this.
we have to agree to disagree.I strongly disagree here. I have suffered the greatest grief a man could face and survived. No I am not the same person. No, I am not a better person, I face tears every day, but I survived.
) (no wonder why they didn't use it in the show even if the idea is really fascinanting) but that's me There would have to be changes in Tess. The writer would have to carefully detail these changes.
In someway Tess would have to be equally devastated by Liz’s death. She would have to be reduced to the point of contriteness. In reality few people can face causing death.
Max wouldn't need a second wife for that.Then there is the care of a child. No one, alien or human can find it easy to give into their own grief when they must still arrange the care of the child. Not always is family there to undertake this care. Friends do not always have the resources or inclination to do this either. Sometime the penitence for a sin against someone you love, might be dedicating yourself to that person and their needs. Yes Tess is selfish in all introductions. She is allowed to be selfish, but what if her own personal image is knocked down enough so that she was forced for the sake of her own being to view the effect she had had on others.
i find it a bit.. hypocritical if i can be honest. or maybe it isn't the right word. maybe the right word is just forced or illusion.
being a CC fan is just natural since we liked the show the way it was written i mean a tv-show is a tv-show it's fictional so it's pretty obvious that if i like it i like the way it was written or the most part otherwise i wouldn't be a fan. i liked the show not another thing. in order to read fanfictions i have to take time from the other things i like to do so i obviously have to like what i'm reading. 
