When the heck IS Max's birthday anyway? The Roscanon thread

[Ladeia3]

So the water is red, and the moonlight would be golden. No indication on the actual terrain, other than it has rocks.
hugs, Tas

I always was suspicious about the water being like jello and being red.... I remember in the Balance when Riverdog was helping them with that ritual he was telling them that water bound them all together. If water was so different on their home world why would it be a binding thing? Oh well... it was probably just another writer screw up. They probably hadn't thought that far ahead and the writers seemed to have a problem going back and checking for details given in the past.

[Tasyfa]

I think the statement about the water binding them together had more to do with Native American practices than anything.

Yes, me too. Also, the colour of water and to a certain extent the consistency is heavily dependent on what minerals it contains. I think it would be safe to assume that Antar has different minerals than Earth does. Earth water looks blue in large concentrations, i.e., oceans, but is actually colourless. If you've ever seen a river where the soil around it is red clay, though, it doesn't look so blue! (And don't wear anything white in that kind of river, either, unless you're looking for a cheap way to turn your stuff terra cotta. ) Like Chris said, the crimson water may have been meant as pertaining specifically to the area around Dimara's Rock, not the whole planet, and the colour would be due to both dissolved material and the soil/sand forming the lakebed or water "container."

It's also quite true that the writers didn't look back that much, and contradicted themselves a lot, so personally I think that one's vision of Antar is pretty much fair game. You can choose to incorporate the memory retrieval details or not. The "three moons" thing does appear there and in Brody's musings, though, so that one is probably about the only constant.
hugs, Tas

[roswellianprincess16]

Three whole moons huh? Must be a pretty bright place.

It's very true that the writers sort of threw in stuff and then either never mentioned it again, or changed what they said in order to satisfy their creative cravings. Either way, Antar can be very different or very similar to what the Earthlings recognize.

(THIS IS NOT CANON... lol just thinking out loud)

It seems that Antar is a part of its own kingdom, made up of several planets that work together as one unit. So perhaps, Antar was the most prominent planet, seeing as how they are all depending on him to solve the problems. There was obviously royalty, which can mean a number of things and there was treason and betrayal... for whatever reasons. That much is known. Everything is pretty much up to you.

[Chrisken]

I always was suspicious about the water being like jello and being red.... I remember in the Balance when Riverdog was helping them with that ritual he was telling them that water bound them all together. If water was so different on their home world why would it be a binding thing? Oh well... it was probably just another writer screw up. They probably hadn't thought that far ahead and the writers seemed to have a problem going back and checking for details given in the past.

Well, far be it from me, normally, to play devil's advocate on behalf of the swimming in Jello scene, but...

In Balance, what River dog said was:

RIVER DOG: ...Now, clear your mind, and drink from the bowl. Don't change the way you feel about your friend, and you'll come out on the right side.

MAX: What is it?

RIVER DOG: Water. Something in common with all of us. By drinking from the same bowl, we begin the connection.

To me, that bit was always about water as a component of the living organism, not water in lakes and oceans and such. The human body is 80% water by weight or so, and if hybrids are possible water probably makes up a large part of Antarian biology too. The fact that their rivers and bays have a consistency more like jello wouldn't change that. (And remember that even Jello is mostly water too -- just with a small amount of another compond mixed in that changes the way it behaves and feels.)

[Chrisken]

Three whole moons huh? Must be a pretty bright place.

(THIS IS NOT CANON... lol just thinking out loud)

It seems that Antar is a part of its own kingdom, made up of several planets that work together as one unit. So perhaps, Antar was the most prominent planet, seeing as how they are all depending on him to solve the problems. There was obviously royalty, which can mean a number of things and there was treason and betrayal... for whatever reasons. That much is known. Everything is pretty much up to you.

As far as three moons making it a bright place... that does depend on a number of other things, like how apparently large the moons are in Antar's sky and how much light they reflect. It'd be quite possible to have a single moon that would be much brighter than ours, or three that would shed much less light all put together. But anyway...

As far as the collective kingdom hypothesis, that pretty much goes against everything that I inferred from 'max in the city.' There, it seemed pretty clear that the kingdom of Antar had been pretty much defined by the planet itself, and maybe some moons or other settlements that were too small to be mentioned. The other four nearby planets also had unified governments of their own, which is why each planet was sending one representative to the summit. They were aware of interdependencies between their worlds, but also quite clear on their own sovereigneties, if that's the right word.

Or am I missing something??

[cardinalgirl]

Are there any grocery/general store names mentioned in Roswell? I know there's a couple of scenes in stores, but I don't know if they ever mention any names...? I'd settle for something from the books, too, I'm easy.

Thanks in advance to anybody who can help me out.

[Tasyfa]

Are there any grocery/general store names mentioned in Roswell? I know there's a couple of scenes in stores, but I don't know if they ever mention any names...? I'd settle for something from the books, too, I'm easy.

Thanks in advance to anybody who can help me out.

The one M&M are on top of with the binoculars in the Hybrid Chronicles, and in which Kyle later catches Iz and Jesse, is the Hi-Ho. They didn't name it in dialogue, but the sign is clearly visible.
hugs, Tas

[SpiderGirl]

Hey All

What dates was it when Liz first started going through the changes? If anyone knows it would be a big help!
Spidey
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[Shinigami]

2/05/02

Liz first showed signs of an alien change in the episode "Ch-Ch-Changes", aired January 5, 2002. So, I'm guessing that's the date where they began 'in the canon", since the canon dates mirror RL dates. I think.

[Chrisken]

Okay, big question here, trying to settle an argument with lissalou

How much is known in canon about various alien races and whether any of them can survive on earth and breathe the atmosphere??

Specifically:

Are the skins, (Vanessa Whittaker, Courtney, Nicholas, and all of the skins from Copper Summit) Antarians or other alien races? Does the canon hint one way or another? (This one is really the core of the argument at this time.)

What about shapeshifters, specifically Ed Harding and Kal?? Are they a different race, individuals who have been 'altered' to give them the shapechanging ability, genetically engineered slaves, or something else??

Also any information on different alien species who have 'abducted' people's bodies on earth in the show. Thanks in advance for any info.

Chris.