suie wrote:The last movie I saw at the cinema was "Shutter Island" and it was pure genius. I haven´t heard much of the story before and that turned out to be the best way to approach it. Leo was great and the outcome was quite surprising. Also the lack of music before something unexpected or scary happened got me pressed into the seat more than once. I can highly recommend it.
9/10
I agree. Shutter Island was great. I enjoyed the outcome as well, although I saw it coming. But to be fair, I'm usually pretty good at guessing plot twists. My sister says it's why she hates watching movies with me lol. Anyway, as I said, I enjoyed the ending, but I'm not 100% sure they completely pulled it off flawlessly. I can assume a few things, but I would have liked it if they had explained certain other things better.
RosDude wrote:I enjoyed the outcome as well, although I saw it coming. But to be fair, I'm usually pretty good at guessing plot twists. My sister says it's why she hates watching movies with me lol.
Yeah, people are the same way with me, Chad. It's pretty hard to fool me with a plot twist these days. I watch TV shows and five minutes in, I know the killer or whatever. It can be a little annoying for other people, I think. Mostly, I try and keep to myself in those situations. There are times, though, when someone will pause a DVD and look at me and give me a look and they want to know the twist. I always ask them if they're sure they want to know. Maybe I'm not surprised, but that doesn't mean they shouldn't be.
Isn't that funny? I'd rather be surprised than know, so I always wonder why other people want to know the twist so badly.
Alli
Dean: Damn cops.
Sam: They were just doing their job.
Dean: No, they were doing our job, only they don't know it so they suck at it.
I found some pretty helpful stuff on another forum. It´s about the water/fire metaphor:
*SPOILER*
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The answer is that Teddy and Laeddis are the same person and he is delusional.
The key to the movie is in the motifs/symbols of fire and water.
Water (including blood which contains water) represents reality or at least Laeddis's sanity attempting to break through the delusions
The reality is that Laeddis shot and killed his wife (covered in blood) because she drowned their children (a true flashback). Because he cannot mentally deal with his guilt and anguish he suffers a mental breakdown in which he becomes the persona named Teddy.
- clues - in the beginning of the moview Teddy is shown to be sick of the water ("so much water" could also be reworded as "so much blood") (he is sick of water because subconscioiusly water is associated with the reality that his wife drowned his kids), in a vision blood covers the false missing patient (this representative of the fact that she is a real person and is actuallly a staff nurse playing a role), blood covers the German officer (this confirms that Laeddis was in the past a soldier, he was involved in the liberation of the death camp and that he did let the officer suffer by moving the gun (a true flashback)), he asks his wife why she is wet (this is a clue that his wife did not die by fire or that his mind is attempting to break through the delusion), at the bottom of the cliffs the ocean water washing over the rocks reveals that Chuck's body was just an illusion or dillusion possibly caused in part by the white coloring of the rocks, water dripping down from the ceiling causes Teddy to wake up from a dream, Teddy has to swim to the lighthouse (symbolizes his return to sanity and the knowledge that he killed his wife and ultimately his children because he ignored his wife's depression)
Fire represents delusions.
The delusion is that his wife died in a fire caused by a person named Laeddis (the fictional staple faced Laeddis) .
- clues - in his visions at least the ones that support his delusion he associates his wife with fire or flame (burning apartment, in the cell with Noyes (lit matches), the car explosion), his conversation with Noyes is also a delusion because it is associated with the burning matches (in reality Noyes had never been transferred out of the asylum to a regular prison and was a fellow patient whom Laeddis/Teddy violently attacked because Noyes had called him Laeddis which Laeddis in his delusional state cannot accept because to accept his true name would be to accept the knowedge that he killed his wife because she drowned their children because he ignored her depression/insanity), the burning cigarette on the cliff is a clue that the body of Chuck at the bottom of the Cliff is an illusion or delusion as revealed by the ocean waves washing over the rocks showing no body and white coloring of the rocks which may have contributed to the illusion or delusion), the fire in the cave is a clue that the discovery and conversation with the missing patient/doctor in the cave is a delusion, the flame and fire in the vision of staple face Laeddis is a clue that staple face Laeddis does not exist is part of the delusion)
other clues - Teddy/Laeddis remarks that the guards at the gate are very tense - they are tense because they know that Teddy is Laeddis and that he can be violent
- Laeddis in his delusional state and prior to incarceration in the insane asylum was a US marshall and therefore had no problem in removing his firearm/holster to give to the guards whereas Chuck who in reality was Laeddis primary psychologist and not a US marshall had no experience with firearms/holsters and therefore bungled in his efforts to remove the holster from his belt.
- Teddy at first believes that he is shooting the psychiatrist and sees blood splatter but the psychiatrist is uneffected which is the final straw in the totality of the inconsistancies of what is occuring in his delusional state and Laeddis finally realizes that the delusion cannot explain what is occuring arround hiim and forces him to confront the reality that the gun is actually a plastic toy, that he created the Teddy persona, that his wife did not die in a fire set by staple face Laeddis and that it was he who killled his wife and through his inaction with regards to his wife's depresssion/insanity his own children..
I am sure there there are more clues but based on the above - in the majority of the movie Laeddis is delusional and has created the Teddy persona which the Staff (also using other patients) decides to use an experimental therapy where they faciliate the delusion in the hopes that in working through the delusion in the real world, i.e. the environs of the ferry and shutter island, that the patient himself realizes that the delusion cannot explain everything that is happening arround him (there are too many inconsistencies) and breaks himself out of the delusion.
In the end he questions whether it is better to live a monster or die a good man. This implies that Laeddis has regained his sanity but he cannot live with the knowledge that he killed his wife and ultimately his children through his inaction regarding his wife's depression (i.e. live a monster) Therefore, he decides to act as if his delusional state relapsed thereby requiring the lobotomy so that he no longer remembers himself or what he did (i.e. die a good man).
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*SPOILER END*
Also does anyone have a clue what that Portland vs. Seattle stuff was about?
I didn't go see Avatar.....for what I heard of it is that once again Hollywood showed the military as this evil must kill everything force And having served in the Air Force and coming from a military family I wasn't to happy about hearing that.....so I skipped the movie not wanting to give any of my money to it.
Okay so my best friend comes over and she brings over Skin Walkers so while drooling over Jason Behr I mention that we should watch Dragon Wars after since we still haven't watched it. So once it's over I turn on Dragon Wars, which I should probably mention was a digital copy before I start this. The first thing either of us notice is the horrible suit, but his friends wardrobe is just as bad so we think maybe it takes place in the 70's, of course it doesn't take us very long to realize this isn't the case. Then it goes into the back story, which my digital copy doesn't have subtitles, so we start acting like we can actually understand Korean. So it starts off, "No see that's Yoda, and that guy there is Darth Vader, and that guy's just random jedi number 1 who's suppose to protect her." So that stuff gets over and we both settle down and actually watch the movie, now maybe I just didn't understand it since I missed like a half hour of story but the movie is the worst movie I've seen in a long time. There was like hardly any talking it was all just watching the weird snake like dragon thingy destroying everything while trying to find Sara. I managed to watch the entire thing somehow but awful just completely awful.
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Earth2Mama wrote:Yeah, D-Wars ... wasn't his finest.
They could've at least had him take off his shirt to make it semi-worth seeing.
Now you see if I as a guy had said something like "Ohhh man I wish Jessica Alba had taken her shirt off in Sin City!"...you women would have said "You men are such pigs!"
It's pretty hard to fool me with a plot twist these days. I watch TV shows and five minutes in, I know the killer or whatever. It can be a little annoying for other people, I think. 
And having served in the Air Force and coming from a military family I wasn't to happy about hearing that.....so I skipped the movie not wanting to give any of my money to it.
